Public Comments

Village resident Virginia Luppino questions “Special Use” application review

I’m sure I’m not alone in finding it difficult to visually understand the look of this project.  Why wasn’t the Developer required to make more accurate and comprehensive simulations that would be helpful for the community to actually see what this is going to look like?

We especially have not seen the treatment of Nanny Goat Hill.  How can we comment on something that has not been presented? We have not seen visuals from the bridge of the proposed two-tier parking and the suggestion to plant trees for screening is unrealistic.  You can’t plant trees in rock and expect them to thrive.

We have no clear definition of ‘special event’.  In the NEG DEC a wedding is referred to as a ‘special event’.  I find this misleading.  How can something that might happen twice a week be referred to as a ‘special event’?

The building has been referred to as a conference center, a banquet hall, a ballroom, a catering hall…which is it?  Once the space is defined, it is important to look at the NYS Building Code, which calculates Assembly Space at 5 square feet per person for a Ballroom, as opposed to 15 sq’ for a Banquet Hall.  Taking a very conservative estimate of this project’s public assembly space, the code allows for more than 700 people to attend an event in a space of this size. The Village has the authority to set the legal occupancy. Before issuing a special use permit, I suggest the occupancy for the assembly space be set at approximately 325 persons.

Another concern is traffic.   Has consideration been given to the traffic impact of future projects in conjunction with the impact of the Partition St Project?  With future development at Winston Farm and Kings Highway we can expect a tremendous increase in traffic through the village.

What impact will this have on the Village Business District?  Will people begin to avoid Saugerties because of the traffic?  This is a very realistic concern to a district that is struggling to be successful.

The traffic report in the NEG DEC refers to special events being held on the weekends/off peak. Will events happen simultaneously indoors and at the outdoor catering tent? As a requirement of the Special Use Permit I suggest you restrict the timing of events to non-peak traffic hours, as all the references in the traffic report of the NEG DEC.

Another disturbing fact is that Mr. Struzzieri has purchased many properties at the bottom of Partition Street, which implies future development as part of a larger plan. This segmentation of the plan to avoid State Environmental Quality Review (SEQRA) is very troubling. Might Mr. Struzzieri decide in the future to tear down historic buildings, changing the look of the entrance to our historic district to create more parking for his projects?  Will the entrance to our historic village be likened to a strip mall parking lot?

The other issue that concerns me is noise from the outdoor catering tent. The NEG DEC refers to ‘Noise emanating from the catering tent associated with gatherings, [bands, disc jockeys and localized public address systems.]  and goes on to say that the Village of Saugerties and its agencies possess the authority to respond to potential noise complaints, if necessary.  This will be especially problematic for the residential neighborhood across the creek.

Neighbors will have to rely on the police to enforce noise complaints.  Will villagers have to endure the noise of weekly, undefined ‘special events’ held at the outdoor catering tent? I suggest that the Planning Board require the applicant to limit the hours of use of an outdoor public address system, as the project is located in a residential/mixed district.

Before issuing a Special Use Permit, I urge you to require the developer to hone in on his definition of ‘special event,’ be clear as to the actual nature of the events to be held at this site, and require time and noise limits.

Thank you,

Virginia Luppino

Saugerties Village resident

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The criteria for review in the [Saugerties Village] zoning law includes: “The design, location and function of easements or other access providing public access to the water’s edge.

Thank you for holding a public hearing and listening to public input. Thank you also to members of the public who’ve taken an interest in the advocating for the best possible site plan for the Partition Street Project. I want to use this opportunity to remind members of the Planning Board that public access along the waterfront is not merely a request of local residents. It satisfies a provision of the zoning law for the Planned Waterfront district. The Cantine Mill property is within the Planned Waterfront district and any development on the property should meet the requirements of the zoning law pertaining the Planned Waterfront. The criteria for review in the zoning law includes: “The design, location and function of easements or other access providing public access to the water’s edge” (Village Zoning Law 210-21).

The duty of the Planning Board is make sure that development plans conform with the zoning law in its entirety, not to ignore parts of the law you think inconvenient or narrowly interpret criteria to favor the applicant. If the site plan does not fully meet the criteria set forth in the law, the Planning Board has the legal authority and public obligation to insist on changes to the plan. Such a request should come as no surprise to the applicant since the public access criteria is clearly part of the zoning law.

A scenic waterfront walkway at this site has been part of public discussion for years and was included in previous proposals for the site, which created public expectation for a scenic walkway in the first place. However, the current site plan made a departure from prior visions for the site. I’d like to see the scenic walkway put back on the table for consideration, especially since the applicant was awarded $780,000 in public funds based upon a site plan which included access along the bluffs.

In conclusion, I suggest you use your authority under the zoning law to insist that the applicant revise their planned walkways to include a scenic walkway overlooking the water in order to satisfy the legal criteria for public access to the waterfront. I also encourage you to consider alternative plans for parking so as to eliminate the second tier of parking to prevent blasting of Nanny Goat Hill. The proposed blasting is unpredictable in its potential impacts on neighboring residences and controversial in terms of its alteration to the landscape. Any alternative to blasting would be welcome. Thank you for your serious consideration of the details of the site plan and your hard work towards making sure this is a worthwhile project for Saugerties.

Patrick Landewe

Resident of the Village of Saugerties

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The Partition Street Project, Village Politics, and Mother Theresa

“The Partition Street Project” has inspired me to consider Mother Theresa and the words that she lived her life by … “We can do no great things; we can only do small things with great love.”
The owners of this project are land developers, savvy business men, and a United States Congressman who have garnered the support of our Mayor, our Economic Development Team, as well as our Business community (business owners have been “highly encouraged” by the Chamber of Commerce to support this development).  (This “local support” does not take into account the project’s lawyers, tax consultants, and investors, who no doubt have their affiliations as well).  With the “support” this project has gathered, rest assured, the investors will be able to create what they consider “a great thing”.
A group of concerned citizens have come up against the development plans, as well as the influence of our elected officials, in the attempts of “doing small things with great love.”  I only wish that I still believed in this Village, and its leaders, to believe that they will enforce the law to get the best results for the Village.  Unfortunately I don’t.  I hope that I am proven wrong.
From what I have read, observed, and listened to, I don’t believe “The Partition Street Project” has the ability, nor the concern, to “do small things with great love.”  Small things with great love ensure that our neighbor’s house won’t be rocked off its foundation from blasting; their view of a pristine environment won’t be blocked by a parking lot or brick wall; that a community which is identified by its landscape won’t be alienated from its source; that the “bottom line” is not what we have gained, but what we have given.
The catch phrase that I hear most often regarding this development is “economic development” and how “this project is good for business.”  This publicity, generated by the developers and their support team, is backed by its previous development, HITS.  (I’m still unclear on what HITS has actually done for our community, and whose economic development was ensured)?  Perhaps I’m the only one who observes how many stores and business in Saugerties have failed and closed?  How many properties remain vacant?  How many people can’t pay their taxes?   Remind me again of “the economic development” and how much these developments have helped our community?
I have personally come to know that our richness here in Saugerties is in our natural resources.  It is not the Town or Village or our development projects that makes us great, it is the abundance of the natural world, that we have been blessed to live within, that make us rich.  Without question, these lands and our resources are rapidly diminishing as “development projects” take over.  And so I ask, “Do you honestly believe that someone from New York City, or a tourist from afar, is actually going to come to Saugerties to view a parking lot”?  No, they will come because of our waterfalls, our creeks and river, birds migrating, our bike paths and walking paths, our accessibility to the natural world.  They will come because our Village and Town wrap itself around our natural resources, resources that no people, no town, and no development can own.  We can only be the stewards of our natural resources; how we steward a land will become our legacy.  Long after we have passed, our “developments” will remain.  Will your children and grandchildren be proud of what you have developed, what you have valued, how you have treated your neighbors, and what you have left behind?  This remains to be seen.
I have witnessed that most people in our community do not care about their neighbors, or our shared natural resources; they choose not to be involved when our resources are violated, and behave as though “it’s not their problem”.  Their choice is to be complacent, and become involved in what personally benefits them.  I can assure those people, by the time you have moved from your complacency, it will be too late.
With all due respect, most citizens of Saugerties have become “the cow following the cow who wears the bell.”  As we are a rural farming community, or once were, our “developers” and “Town officials” now have the privilege, and the power, of being “the cow who wears the bell.”  Where will you lead your people and how will you protect our shared resources?  Will it be to your perception of “great things” or will it be to “small things done with great love”?
Your legacy, and ours, remains to be seen; it will be the ultimate mark of what we stood for, the values we admire and represent, and the values we teach our children.
I believe Daphne Rose Kingman states this perspective best: “In the end, nothing we do or say in this life time will matter as much as the way we have loved one another.”
Elise Muller / Saugerties
www.mountain-spirit-botanicals.com

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Let’s talk the walk: Village Planning Board Chairman, George Lewandowski and members

To Village Planning Board Chairman, George Lewandowski, and members:

Let’s talk the walk.
At last night’s planning board hearing on the Partition Street project I heard a lot about how the developers could do what they wanted with their property and about how the village could compel the developers to do what we want.
The advantages of a promenade seem pretty clear: a postprandial stroll enhances any dining experience, hotel guests can take a morning walk to watch the sun creep up the river, and townsfolk and other visitors can gain new perspectives on our common wealth and maybe be enticed into the restaurant.
So why don’t they want it? The answer, I was told, is Privacy and Security. The security problem seems silly: anyone who would pose a security risk can be supposed to have the temerity to walk on the grass, and I fail to see how someone walking along a promenade by the river is more dangerous than someone walking along the sidewalk by the street. The privacy concern is likewise specious: you have no more privacy if there is one hotel worker or guest outside your window or looking in at your party than you do if that person is merely a Saugerties resident.
What I think is really at work here is far more troubling: the wealthy who the developers hope to attract are assumed to want to live in a bubble where they never have to deal with any of the hoi polloi (except the servants). They’d drive from HITS to the hotel, eat in the restaurant, and never have to be troubled with even seeing the “riff-raff” that comprises the Saugerties populace.
But is this true? Do we need to continue to promote the isolation and polarization that has contributed so much to the breakdown of a civil society?
I think the developers’ fears are groundless and counter-productive. Think of all the wonderful resort cities built around boardwalks and promenades. A thriving common space nourishes community and its attendant safety and commerce. And with good planning, this public space need not impinge on any of the guests’ private activities. Do you think that guests of the project’s proposed gated-community-like confines will venture out into the wilds of downtown Saugerties?
Let’s be clear about what our choice is. We can acquiesce to greed and fear and allow the developers to build a private club with public assistance, or we can insist that they become part of our community.
What kind of world do you want to live in?

Peter Solow
459 Stoll Road
Saugerties, NY 12477
845-246-5783
psolow@aol.com

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